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Russian experts complete investigation into Cheonan sinking

Topic: Consequences of the South Korean Cheonan corvette sinking

12:40 04/09/2010

Russian military experts have completed an investigation into causes of the sinking of a South Korean warship in June and forwarded its results to a security council, a high level official from Russian Defense Ministry said.

The 1,200-ton South Korean warship sank near the disputed Northern Limit Line in the Yellow Sea on March 26, causing the loss of 46 lives. South Korea says it has proof that North Korea fired a torpedo at the vessel from a submarine, although Pyongyang denies the attack.

"Russian military experts examined samples of materials from the Cheonan ship, obtained during a working visit to South Korea, as well as documentation available to them," the official said. "The investigation is complete, all results were submitted to the National Security Council," he added.

"The possible cause of the sinking became an external influence on the vessel's hull," the official said.

He did not rule out that the results will be later forwarded to the South Korean side.

In early June, a group of Russian Navy experts went to Seoul to assess an international probe into the incident, which revealed that North Korea fired a torpedo at the vessel from a submarine, although Pyongyang denies the allegations. However, the experts were unable to give any decisive answers.

In July the United States and South Korea conducted large-scale military exercises in the Sea of Japan. Initially, the exercises were scheduled for June 8-11, however, they were postponed as the sides decided to wait for a UN resolution on the sinking of the Cheonan.

The UN Security Council condemned the incident and stressed the need to prevent similar attacks in the region, but did not place the direct responsibility on North Korea.

MOSCOW, September 4 (RIA Novosti)

 

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  • LetsTry ReasonTo the “outside” world intellectuals who don’t read Korean
    04:05, 05/09/2010
    To the “outside” world intellectuals who don’t read Korean,

    This is a remarkable story of people – the governed(although they are in theory supposed to be the actual governor in democracy), not their government - making difference in the world (history).

    1. Compare and contrast.
    “More enlightened” American people, Congress and media; Bush; WMD; War (and huge suffering),
    (http://whitehouser.com/war/CIA-confirms-Bush-WMD-lie )
    and,
    “Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people; Korean President Lee; Cheonan; prevention of War (so far).
    (I am including among ‘the Korean people’ the Korean-Americans.)

    2. Also remarkable is that the “inside” Korean people braved the government prosecution.
    Caveat: Under the current South Korean regime, South Korean citizens can be sued for defamation by their own government officials, and defamation in South Korea is a crime (as well as a civil offense) prosecuted by the government’s own centrally controlled national prosecutors who selectively choose or choose not whom to prosecute.
    Recently, Shin Sang-cheol, “an expert placed on the JIG [Joint Investigation Group] by” the National Assembly, got (criminally) sued for defamation by a government official for expressing disagreement over the current South Korean regime’s version of the Cheonan Incident. (http://www.zimbio.com/Mizuho+Fukushima/articles/BvIMjqn_oLw/South+Korean+Investigation+Team+Member+Mr )

    (South Korean people’s firsthand knowledge about the pro-government polls is that they are ridiculously overinflated.
    A proof: war-fear-mongering South Korean President Lee Myung-bak got unexpectedly humiliated on the June 2 election by the “Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people,
    when “survey conducted by the major daily [pro-government]Dong-A Ilbo and the Korea Research Center from May 24 to 26[7-days-before] forecast[ed] that Oh would beat Han by 20.8 percent.”
    Actual election result: 0.6 percent(=”47.4 percent”-”46.8 percent.”)
    Source: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2921960 )

    3. A list of early English publications on Questions on the Cheonan Incident and the Power of South Korean Netizens can be found at http://korea.true.ws (by LetsTry Reason) and newer writings at http://letstryreason.wordpress.com .

    Also, look at: “the U.S, South Korea, the U.K, Canada and Australia, but not Sweden [NOT Sweden], contributed to the second-statement findings [claiming that North Korea might be guilty]” – “Five reasons why the the JIG’s 5-page statement cannot be considered scientific and objective, nor … ‘international’”
    http://japanfocus.org/-JOHN-MCGLYNN/3372 ;
    “Russian Probe Sees No North Korea Hand In Cheonan Sinking! Russia Says Sea Mine Sunk Cheonan”
    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/russian-probe-sees-no-north-korea-hand-in-cheonan-sinking/ ;
    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/pcc-772-cheonan-south-korean-government-admits-the-deception-and-then-lies-about-it/ ;
    http://nature.com/news/2010/080710/full/news.2010.343.html ;
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-korea-torpedo-20100724,0,4196801,full.story

    4. Compare and contrast.
    9/11; Al-Qaeda; brags We did it(, was not wrong, not sorry about it and we will do it again).
    Cheonan; North Korea; brags We didn’t do it (therefore, presumably, was wrong, sorry about it and we will not do it). (Why the difference?)
    Crime and punishment. If we are taking consequentialist moral philosophy, and if the utilitarian utility of punishment is to prevent future crime, then punishment serves little or no purpose (maybe to others but not)to North Korea who says ‘We didn’t do it,’ because either (a) the North didn’t do it, therefore the punishment will be outrageous injustice,
    or (b) the North did do it, but ‘We didn’t do it’ basically implies ‘We will not do it.’
    (This particular ‘it’ hardly gives the North any payoff.)
    *If you don’t get scared of us, how can We become the terrorist, and if you don’t know We did it, how can you get scared of us?

    5. Representative democracy is not pure democracy. (Pure)Direct democracy of a nation-size is now (or becoming) possible, through recent developments in computer science and technology, making secure private Internet-voting, democratic online discussions, cheap instantaneous micro referendum and freedom of choice to vote directly on an issue or use an agent possible.
    The science (computer science) should finally make the people, the governed, the actual de facto governor in democracy.

    6. I take this honor of hereby formally asking the folks in Norway to consider awarding a Nobel Peace Prize to the “Supposedly less so enlightened” Korean people including myself,
    who in early days, among various activities, proposed the “outside” world contact initiative for the Cheonan peace, providing email addresses of all the foreign embassies in Korea, U.N., Hillary, Obama, and the foreign media.
  • LetsTry ReasonConspiracy theory?
    04:06, 05/09/2010
    Conspiracy theory?

    That's begging the question, petitio principii. Is it "conspiracy theory"? Is it outlandishly false? Have you proven that?

    Is it "held by a person judged to be a crank or a group confined to the lunatic fringe," such as(?) the aforementioned physicist and professor in the American universities, and the millions and millions of South Korean and Korean-American citizens?

    Were Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post conspiracy theorists too?

    Maybe a false analogy.
    Rather, it may be
    "it certainly has echoes of conspiracy theories like those surrounding the 1972 Watergate Break-in of President Richard M. Nixon."


    The comparison to the Warren Commission seems absurd.
    Maybe a false analogy, once again.

    The South Korean JIG(Joint Investigation Group) was no Warren Commission.
    The JIG's chairman was not the Chief Justice
    of South Korea.
    The JIG's members were not at all filled with the South Korean National Assembly Members and legal counsels like the Warren Commission was.
  • mkleinxChenoan Ship
    22:17, 05/09/2010
    I can't imagine an explosive that would deform the screw like that. It appears it was run aground under power.
  • LetsTry ReasonUpdate: 09/08 news
    07:41, 12/09/2010
    Update:
    09/08 news

    "Only three out of 10 South Koreans trust the findings of an
    international inquiry into the sinking of the Navy corvette Cheonan that blamed a North Korean torpedo attack."

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/09/08/2010090800979.html






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